Intro
Jeff Owen, Mike Donehey
[Interlude]
Yeah, we named the record No Shame, but we don't mean all shame
What do you mean?
Uh, there's a difference between healthy shame and toxic shame
Healthy shame, it leads you to good things
Like when you realize you're not God and you need other people
It leads you to repentance, to ask for help, uh
That's- that's different than toxic shame
Mhm
See, toxic shame is the voice that cries out over your life
Unredeemable